tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1695280310697378421.post7733525706623271471..comments2024-03-25T02:15:02.505-07:00Comments on Nancy's Blog: Dreamingadminhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11442349453021015062noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1695280310697378421.post-63353777761985916502009-05-07T14:42:00.000-07:002009-05-07T14:42:00.000-07:00cd, I don't know about that. I suppose I can only ...cd, I don't know about that. I suppose I can only speak for myself, but dreams per se have never had that effect for me. Third-wall stuff (fifth wall?) is much more likely to take me out of the willing-suspension than dreams. <br /><br />Dreams done badly, though, can bring me right out, but not in the way that you mean. So many people write dreams that don't seem dream-like to me, and that really bugs me. When I see those, I'm reminded that I'm in a story and someone has just used a device. Even more so, sometimes, than when they're using a self-consciously post-modern device like speaking directly to the reader. <br /><br />But that's just me. I tend to have a somewhat idiosyncratic view on a lot of things.escoleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13262319155943759653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1695280310697378421.post-66598302680369806162009-05-07T12:01:00.000-07:002009-05-07T12:01:00.000-07:00Also, I wonder if there isn't an element of the me...Also, I wonder if there isn't an element of the metafiction problem: a dream in the story draws our attention, when it ends, to the fact that the whole story is a dream. It breaks the willing suspension of disbelief by drawing attention to that suspension.<br /><br />cdcdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15260787070073751405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1695280310697378421.post-62907826481278069182009-05-07T04:29:00.000-07:002009-05-07T04:29:00.000-07:001: I've recently encountered this idea in critique...1: I've recently encountered this idea in critique groups, as I'm working on a novel that has several chapters either ending or beginning with dreams. (They're not meant to reveal hidden plot elements -- I hate that as a device, myself -- but rather to reveal things about the emotional and physical state. Or, in one case, to imply background without my having to explicitly state it.)<br /><br />People seem to like them; they're just afraid no one will buy the book, because of them. So, at least until it's finished, I'm inclined to keep them. <br /><br />2: One of my favorite books is nothing but dreams: <EM>Dreams of an Imaginary New Yorker Named Rizzoli</EM>. It's a beautiful example of oblique story-telling -- you get nothing, nothing but the guy's dreams, yet at the end you have a story (loses job, loses girl, keeps going). (Great ending line, too: "Now there is just one person running through the streets wearing a t-shirt that says 'New Yorkers Are Real People.' He's running as fast as he can.")<br /><br />[disclaimer: line from memory. actual line may vary. can cause dry mouth, excessive aural bleeding, hangnails or coarse hair growth. consult your physician before reading.]escoleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13262319155943759653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1695280310697378421.post-45116126766390988042009-05-07T03:59:00.000-07:002009-05-07T03:59:00.000-07:00As Jake Freivald points out, starting with a dream...As Jake Freivald points out, starting with a dream is a warning sign that you don't know how to start your story. The dream is usually irrelevant, but serves as filler before you wake the character up and actually start, the way we all start our day. Guilty until proven innocent, as far as I'm concerned.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05044603518516200948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1695280310697378421.post-5444666800110845112009-05-06T10:02:00.000-07:002009-05-06T10:02:00.000-07:00"Most dreams are not well-plotted," the bar-tender..."Most dreams are not well-plotted," the bar-tender told me as he polished the rabbit. "They are all full of concatenation and word associations," as in the case of the rabid locomotive. His motives were loco. So running through the office he became aware that he was naked. He stopped and, being tired, began to pant. The bartender offered him a sloe gin, but he was in a hurry and had time only for bare essentials. "What," he asked himself, "does this have to do with the story?"TheOFloinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14756711106266484327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1695280310697378421.post-13991662343407142962009-05-06T08:11:00.000-07:002009-05-06T08:11:00.000-07:00I guess my take would be that if the story's autho...I guess my take would be that if the story's author can articulate a very compelling reason why the story MUST start with a dream, and couldn't work as a story with any other beginning, then great. Otherwise, it's probably not the best idea.Amy Sissonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11048079879080286675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1695280310697378421.post-77831327917244671452009-05-06T07:48:00.000-07:002009-05-06T07:48:00.000-07:00I run an online magazine called Flash Fiction Onli...I run an online magazine called <I><A HREF="http://www.flashfictiononline.com" REL="nofollow">Flash Fiction Online</A></I>, and in our slush pile we receive a fair number of stories that start with dreams. They're usually not by pros and not very well-written, and I think our staff has become a little prejudiced against stories that start with a dream.<br /><br />Part of it has to do with reader trust: If I'm in the middle of something that's apparently real, and then suddenly it turns out it's not, then I usually feel cheated. Even if there's a really good reason for the cheat, I might not read farther to find out what it is. <br /><br />If, on the other hand, it's clear that I'm in a dream (either through something impossible happening or through an explicit statement), then I could be okay with that.<br /><br />I think that's why <I>Medium</I> works: The dreams are what the story is about, and the expectation has been set from the beginning of the series that the first scene isn't necessarily real.Jake Freivaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01523638337057738776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1695280310697378421.post-68802815300474060032009-05-06T07:40:00.000-07:002009-05-06T07:40:00.000-07:00Gordon also included the interesting sentence "It'...<I>Gordon also included the interesting sentence "It's been so long since I read a story that starts with a dream sequence that I really don't know how I feel about them in general." That suggests that the slush pile is not overflowing with this technique.</I><BR><BR>Keep in mind, though, that Gordon has a slush reader (John Joseph Adams) to weed out the trite and overdone for him.David D. Levinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06366832248565675182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1695280310697378421.post-56046564405151691912009-05-06T07:39:00.000-07:002009-05-06T07:39:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.David D. Levinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06366832248565675182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1695280310697378421.post-82114529839989964242009-05-06T06:44:00.000-07:002009-05-06T06:44:00.000-07:00A different kind of fiction, of course, but the TV...A different kind of fiction, of course, but the TV show <I>Medium</I> begins with a dream every single week. And it's relevant.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11351555930799223221noreply@blogger.com